In this episode of the podcast, Sam is joined by Mike Berners-Lee, professor and sustainability expert, founder of Small World Consulting, as well as the author of ’How Bad Are Bananas?’, ’There Is No Planet B’, and his latest book, ’A Climate of Truth’. Mike highlights the urgency of overcoming dishonesty in both policy and business, and how a cultural shift toward valuing truthfulness is essential for meaningful climate action. He also reflects on the failure of COP negotiations, and discusses how to stare reality in the face and still remain hopeful amidst a polycrisis.